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Houses of the Blooded: Different Views

  • Jul. 12th, 2008 at 2:25 PM
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[info]mnight starts her HotB game this Friday. She and I were talking about some of the reasons I chose the ven as a subject matter for the game. One of those reasons was their distinct non-European appearance. No blondes. Darker skin.

When I ran the game, the ambiguity of the ven sponsored all kinds of interpretations. One group had a distinctly Arabian feel. Another was more Chinese. I was delighted to see people take the vagaries I employed in the book and draw their own conclusions.

For her game on Friday, [info]mnight has been doing research on Hawaiian and Samoan cultures to give her own interpretation of the ven a distinctly different taste. A hint of pineapple. Long, hot summers. Scorching rains. Bare feet on cool stone. Colors, colors, colors. Exotic flowers everywhere.

At first, my head hiccuped. I had never pictured the ven that way before and it took me a little while to get my mind around it. Then, as I thought about it, I started asking questions.

"What kind of swords would they wear?" They wouldn't have the traditional rapiers or scimitars or broadswords. Their weapons would be shorter and easier to carry. Nothing in ven literature says the swords are made of metal: an assumption I carried from my own culture's biases. Discussing this with [info]mnight, she suggests her version of the ven carry wooden swords for the matters of insult and put those away when a more serious matter comes to light.

Clothing would be different. Flowers and feathers. The suggestion of more revealing clothing makes sense in this light. No furs or velvet. Cotton, cotton, cotton. But think of the headdresses!

Of course, the Houses themselves take on different kinds of meanings in this context. Bear and Elk and Fox and Falcon. Serpent and Wolf. Different setting, different meanings, different symbols.

An idea that first caught me off guard, a suggestion that I quietly rejected in my head--and then slowly began to ask questions about. And now, I have a new vision of the ven completely different than the one I had before.

My mind said "No" until I forced it to consider "Yes."

I should have taken my own advice.

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PS: Now I'm thinking about Aztec and Mayan ven, too. Blood sacrifice, indeed.

Comments

[info]benlehman wrote:
Jul. 12th, 2008 09:55 pm (UTC)
Funny. I always assumed that they were Toltecs.

Do the Ven have wheeled carts?

yrs--
--Ben
[info]srknipe wrote:
Jul. 12th, 2008 10:22 pm (UTC)
Nice! This piques my interest more than almost anything else you've written about this game.

Not that all the rest hasn't been interesting...
[info]wunderworks wrote:
Jul. 12th, 2008 10:32 pm (UTC)
I've head a weird ven split-personality in my head since the beginning.

When I think about the game, look at the pictures, and read the book I have this Mayan/Egyptian with a swirl of Balkan - don't ask me why.

When I have played the game, and made characters for the game I've made them all Venetian/European Renaissance.

I think I have an idea for a ven research book.
[info]nestdweller wrote:
Jul. 13th, 2008 02:31 am (UTC)
Ditto the second part, with the Eurpoean influence. That's how I tend to see most fantasy games, unless the setting is explicitly described otherwise. Pesky Irish blood. It wants castles and tunics and whatnot!
[info]cutelildrow wrote:
Jul. 12th, 2008 11:22 pm (UTC)
South-East Asian ven? Indian Ven? (RG Veda XD )
[info]raconteurx wrote:
Jul. 12th, 2008 11:28 pm (UTC)
I love the idea of Mesoamerican ven, wielding swords of jagged obsidian as they fight their flower wars.
[info]whitebuddha wrote:
Jul. 13th, 2008 01:47 am (UTC)

"What kind of swords would they wear?"


Probably wooden swords with inset sharks teeth, or obsidian...

definitely an interesting look at it...
[info]mnight wrote:
Jul. 15th, 2008 05:16 am (UTC)
I am so stealing the sword with shark teeth idea....that comes out when someone is more than just a bit insulted and there is a duel.
[info]bronzemountain wrote:
Jul. 13th, 2008 08:06 am (UTC)
An antediluvian people living in a hard and unforgiving world - a land scoured bare by the hubris of the Sorceror Kings and filled with venom and malice. A people of passion on the decline who will in time slip into their eternal slumber.

And the men who come later, dark and wise like the Ven before them, will share the dreams of these slumbering Ven and call it the Dreamtime.

Aboriginal Ven, baby.
[info]mnight wrote:
Jul. 15th, 2008 05:17 am (UTC)
That is also way neat as a flavor...if only I didn't work for Outback and have too much fake Aussie around me all day. Lol.
[info]tundra_no_caps wrote:
Jul. 13th, 2008 08:13 am (UTC)
John, I'm sure you had a post linking to Matt's character creation of a Ven, where did it go?

I'm asking because I fear I was imagining it, heh.
[info]democritus6 wrote:
Jul. 13th, 2008 09:41 pm (UTC)
In my mind he Ven always were pretty mediterranean, almost arabic. Thick bladed falchions, the unyielding but beautiful sun and veils and banners fluttering in the warm wind.
[info]116degrees wrote:
Jul. 13th, 2008 11:37 pm (UTC)
I can see the Pacific connection, since you claim the book of Dzyan(sp) as an inspiration. Thats an asian tome is it not. And as i read more and cross reference my Call of Cthulhu stuff I see the Continent of Mu being maybe an indirect ispiration. Polynesian Ven might be more true than you even know, John.
You could add something in a new splat book giving ideas about different cultural inspirations. Like European flavor, Hawaiian, Arabic, Egyptian...
Only problem i see is that "Winter Sucks". I've never been there but Winter is quick fun in hawaii....Hrmm maybe a fact finding trip is necessary when the months of December roll around...
[info]mnight wrote:
Jul. 15th, 2008 05:14 am (UTC)
Hehe. I'd go with the fact finding.
The winter fix is easy. I mean, we are making this up as we go. In the book, the ven are very undefined (source materials lacking good descriptions and all that jazz). So just saying that I wanted the island feel doesn't take away from winter coming with a blast of snow on the seashore. I admit myself that my ideas of what I wanted in flavor have ended up leaning South American as well, it really is just staying away from the European look to clothes, castles, etc.
My other players than John have yet to okay the idea so we'll see.
[info]plmvent wrote:
Jul. 14th, 2008 01:18 pm (UTC)
I was actually toying with moving them into a Star-faring setting. Imagine the ven as one of the core races on Babylon 5.

I have been watching the series again and the thought occurred to me.